Dear Journal: RE: Bedroom Tax Opposition Day Debate 12/11/2013.


Dear Journal,

14/11/2013

Dear Kitty & Co…fellow readers,

Thank you so much…for all your ‘constructive criticism’ writing this post RE: Our Letter To ED Miliband: RE: Bedroom Tax Opposition Day Debate 12/11/2013, which I have re read and taken down. In doing so I would have lost your comments so I have placed them here with respect.

We all recognise the Tory rhetoric we’ve heard so many times before. Such as incitement of the public to hate with scare stories of how scroungers, immigrants and the Labour party are to blame for the state of the economy, so that they are distracted from blaming the wealthy establishment minority, who are clearly the real villains here.

However, I am seeing people blaming the Labour party for losing the vote on the Bedroom Tax. And that is also Tory rhetoric. First of all, well done Labour for instigating the debate in the first place, for challenging tirelessly on this issue, and the hard work you put into opposing this cruel policy from day one.

Secondly, people need to know that the pairing system works by allowing people to vote when they can’t be present and are on other political business. The pairing system was used in this case. Because the Lib Dems always vote with the Tories, Labour very very seldom win a parliamentary vote. But at least they challenged, tried their best and raised public awareness through this debate.

Many people have disparaged Labour for the fact they lost the vote. And not the Lib Dem traitors. I am sure some did this out of ignorance of the system, but I know that others are working for the Tories and perpetuating propaganda in their behalf. Lynton Crosby is paid to do that people, we don’t need to be doing the Tories job for them. I am disappointed to see friends amongst those doing this, too. We have to take some responsibility and arm ourselves with the facts before spreading malicious, ill informed accounts that do untold damage to our prospects of getting rid of the Tories, ultimately. Please put that right.

Thank you. 

Blessings and Thank you Kitty I was just about to take the letter down as we found out what happened exactly as you say as we spoke to our local Labour Vice Chair who confirmed the next morning what happened in the process. We actually did not to send the letter as we felt to not after we found out what was going on, yep, pairing was involved. Our local Vice Chair said that the whips on both sides have pairing arrangements to suit MP’s who cannot make a vote for some reason. In short he said if more Labour MP’s who live far from London had voted more Tories would have taken time out from their second jobs to vote also and it would not have changed the result. Which confirmed to us what we saw was happening and unfolding in the debate. Had already realized and after re-reading am taking letter down and correcting to the facts given by our Local Labour Vice Chair. Thanks Kitty for bringing to my attention. Lesson learnt, and thank you for constructive criticism which is imperative and very valuable. We attended our first local Labour party meeting last month and have joined The Labour Party and received our membership pack and getting involved. Josh was with Labour in Lincoln for four years until his accident rejoined. Am learning the hard way the best way jumping in with both feet and am looking forward to work with our candidate in our ward. Meanwhile, thanks again Kitty. With Respect :)

The only name you need here is ‘Lynton Crosby’ – check that one out, and the whole thing becomes clear.

Lynton Crosby is pretty much gassing himself laughing at the all people who fell for his smear on this issue. He must have been planning it in advance, because out it popped, right after the vote.

Most of us hadn’t heard of “pairing”, those who had recognised the necessity of it to a working Parliamentary system – and that if Labour had gone ahead and broken that convention, then it would have been lost forever: including when they needed it in office, when ministers would have been away and unavailable to vote.

Yet one smear from Cameron’s smear-doctor, and people are screaming outrage.
Just shows how manipulable people are to a very nasty very clever man like Crosby.

Lynton Crosby is pretty much gassing himself laughing at the all people who fell for his smear on this issue. He must have been planning it in advance, because out it popped, right after the vote.

Most of us hadn’t heard of “pairing”, those who had recognised the necessity of it to a working Parliamentary system – and that if Labour had gone ahead and broken that convention, then it would have been lost forever: including when they needed it in office, when ministers would have been away and unavailable to vote.

Yet one smear from Cameron’s smear-doctor, and people are screaming outrage.
Just shows how manipulable people are to a very nasty very clever man like Crosby.

The list of Labour MP’s who abstained/didn’t vote please. 

I have been given a list of the whips who did not sign. I spoke with our local Labour vice chair. That the whips on both sides have pairing arrangements to suit MP’s who cannot make a vote for some reason. In short if more Labour MP’s who live far from London had voted more Tories would have taken time out from their second jobs to vote also and it would not have changed the result. Which confirms that it was down to “pairing”, that the Tories knew exactly what they were planning that it was rigged from the start.

I have been asked if I could provide a list of Labour MP’s and  Whips who abstained / didn’t vote via “pairing”. Here are the web links…

http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/bedroom-tax-vote-where-were-all-labour.html?

m=1http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2013-11-12&number=126&showall=yes#voters

Many Thanks 🙂

In Solidarity!

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2 thoughts on “Dear Journal: RE: Bedroom Tax Opposition Day Debate 12/11/2013.

  1. I was aware of the pairing ‘system! Which was used on rare occasions when an essential vote was being raised and an MP could not make it for a substantial reason. This did not include, being at another job or not staying at second home at the moment, on me hols or plain just cant be arsed. It just highlights the part time jobs MPS consider their role to be and how little value those pairing thought this issue to be. This once reasonable ‘gentlemens agreement’ is now totally abused I would like to see a list of reasons for pairing given, in a normal job you would be sacked for not coming into work for moonlighting on a second job or living too far away! Even if Labour were never going to win they could have shown some back bone called a three line whip and put some real commitment to it. This is just not the way the next election will be won.

    1. I have posted two web links of the who list of mp’s at debate and those who abstained all the ayes n nays etc there are some who have given reasons others haven’t given reasons when they were approached. I quite agree there should have been more effort and something put in place as the Tories knew what they were planning they must have done from the start. When we watched the debate we knew something was happening as the Tories used there normal tactics they never play clean do they. Yes, and there could have been more backbone in place so to speak. Have you email will email both lists for you if you would like. Meanwhile, Padraig how you doin you been in our thoughts n prayers in the darn cold weather cutting onto bone n nerves. We having to use heat pads on my cervical and lumbar spine. We got our thermals out for the first time this year. And our Tat tie Puss Cat Daisy May stays in our bedroom now as we are living in one too, as we can only afford to heat one room, the smallest room with the damp as well. Plenty of good wholesome chicken stew, Irish Stew n a good pot of Chilli is good for the soul yea. Hope you and yours keeping warm and have a good weekend. Hugggs 🙂

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